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New MessageCurious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Keyfitter
Almost every Linux forum I have been in, there has been no mention of Linspire. Fry's Electronics has it on their shelf for $99.00.
Walmart is selling it aready installed on computers. Is it something that could be recommended at all as a good alternative OS for people
who want to get away from Microsoft?. Personally I use SuSE 9.2 and am quite content.
01-10-2024 10:25:57

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) CrazyPenguin
Try Mepis at Mepis.org.
It is a live Cd.
And don't forget to check out the community at mepislovers.org
01-10-2024 13:46:02

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) CrazyPenguin
Try Mepis at Mepis.org.
It is a live Cd.
And don't forget to check out the community at mepislovers.org
01-10-2024 13:47:39

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) kevin
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Almost every Linux forum I have been in, there has been no mention of Linspire.


They are deeply mistrusted by the linux community. This in part because they are purportedly too proprietary.

See the gnu manifesto for details, but in general linux is largely the "gnu" project's baby. The name linux just stuck, probably because it's a better name. But nomenclature aside, the point of GNU/Linux is to take the critical software components (like the system software) out of the hands of proprietary entities, creating a common, malleable platform not under the control of any specific commercial interest. It's easy (for some) to see why this is a good idea.

Linspire is allegedly doing with linux what a typical proprietary company would do, I guess. Personally I haven't used it. And when it gets mentioned there is always someone around who will tell you to avoid linspire, though the one guy I confronted about it just got angry with me and didn't provide any justification (well, no justification that I found plausible).

It would be nice to hear from someone who has actually paid the money for linspire and evaluated it objectively against other linuxes. Both proprietary/free issues as well as just how it stacks up against other linuxes are interesting.


Try Mepis at Mepis.org.
It is a live Cd.
And don't forget to check out the community at mepislovers.org


Did you actually read anything about Keyfitter's topic, or are you just a robot that automatically advocates your favorite distribution? Are you even remotely aware that keyfitter asked a pointed question about linspire, which as it turns out is not mepis?

What if he couldn't get dynamic IP addressing to work? Would you recommend Ubuntu in that instance?

-kev

01-10-2024 14:19:28

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Keyfitter
Hi Kevin,

Thank you for your response. My reason for asking about Linspire is that I am looking for a real easy to use disto that I can recommend
to others who may be interested in Linux. The kind of people that I know and meet are home users with Microsoft versions who are really not
really interested in computers except to perform certain tasks and may be tired of getting rid of worms, trojans, viruses, adware, and unwanted
programs. At one time I was one of those kind. All I cared about Win 3.1 and Win 95 was that I could use my computer to cut keys, generate
master pinning charts, office applications, and bookkeeping. There wasn't time to understand much more about computers. Now that I have the
time, I find Win XP to be boring while I am still learning about computers and found Linux to be a better operating system for me.

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But nomenclature aside, the point of GNU/Linux is to take the critical software components (like the system software) out of the hands of proprietary entities, creating a common, malleable platform not under the control of any specific commercial interest. It's easy (for some) to see why this is a good idea.
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I can certainly see why it's a good idea and probably will not recommend Linspire. I went to their website and got the idea that what they
offer is proprietary. There was no mention of downloading packages except from their catalog.

01-10-2024 19:56:45

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) kevin
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My reason for asking about Linspire is that I am looking for a real easy to use disto that I can recommend to others who may be interested in Linux.


In that case consider Xandros or Mepis (as CrazyPenguin suggested).

Xandros costs money and is a bit commercial, but for $100 it comes with crossover which is a commercial app that allows you to run actual windows applications. It's also probably the easiest distro to set up and maintain I've every personally seen. Everything has been combed over, menus are simplified, it has a kde shell with a custom file manager and a very familiar look and feel for a windows user. My wife uses Xandros, and I don't think I could pry it from her cold, dead fingers. I even offered her an iMac to see if she would bite; she wasn't interested. I spent a couple hours installing this OS years ago, and I haven't even had to help her locate anything. She just uses it with no trouble or help. Suffice it to say I'm very impressed.

Mepis is probably the best free distro for people who want to save money but are perhaps just slightly more savvy---it uses a more standard KDE shell and standard linux apps, just configured intelligently. Ubuntu has become fashionable, but my main objection to it is that it is a purist distro that doesn't even include mp3 support, let alone codecs and flash. Mepis comes with flash and java already set up, a rarity in the linux world.

Both Xandros and Mepis are debian derived (as is Linspire). The linspire click-n-run database contains loads of free software and is purportedly the more user friendly linux os. But the click-n-run stuff is just free (as in speech AND beer) software that you have to pay a subscription fee to get access to.

-kev

01-10-2024 20:21:06

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Andy
Linspire are currently offering a free download of their OS and a free 30 day service of their CNR service. Follow this link http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9311.

In his predictions for 2005, Robert Cringley writes (http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050107.html)

“8) Desktop Linux will finally make some serious inroads as Linspire sets the trend for how to make Linux more user-friendly. There will undoubtedly be other players in this space, but they'll just be emulating Linspire (formerly Lindows). Now if Linspire could only manage a one-click installation of MythTV.”

Personally I like the direction Michael Robertson is going with Linspire and I honestly believe they will be a very successful company. I think they charge $50 per year for access to something like 1900 programs in their CNR service which they have pre-checked to work with Linspire and to be honest I think that is really good value.

Others will completely disagree with me on this subject and Robertson seems to have rubbed a few people up the wrong way with his style but I say he is a doer and I would rather see the cash flow to them than Microsoft.
Regards
Andy

01-13-2005 10:37:07

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Derrick Neve
I have been running Linspire for quite awhile now and am very happy with it. I want to tell you why, because I came to them through OS/2 (a long time ago) and then SuSE for several years.

The thing that Linspire does, and does (very) well, is that they make things easy. I mean, REAL easy. From a fresh boot on their installation CD, I can be online surfing the Internet within 15 minutes. That's fifteen, guys. And I am no expert. It is dead easy -- your mother could do it. Honestly. And as someone said $50 a year for nearly 2,000 programs is not bad value (everyone has to make a living). You choose the program you want on line and with ONE CLICK it's yours. It downloads and installs itself. You don't have to find it, extract it, and then install it. You click on it, then in a few minutes time, you find it automatically in your launch menu and you run the thing.

You just cannot get any easier.

I've signed this with my real name because this is 100% my experience. If anyone wants more info, check them out on linspire.com or contact me at djn@microtec.fr -- yes, I'm in France.

Cheers,

Derrick

01-19-2005 06:30:12

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Elfaegis
Hi,

I have been with Linspire since the Lindows 2.0 days, and I can tell you it's REALLY EASY. Nothing about it is very technical at all. You can get the software for free, install it in less than 5 clicks of the mouse, and it's up and running. It does a very good job of recognizing hardware and it just works. I have tried it on several different machines ... currently I'm running it on a Sony 3 GHz with 512 RAM and a 200 GB hard drive, which came pre-loaded with Windows XP Media Edition. I can burn DVDs with it, I can watch movies on its DVD-enabled Xine player ... it's just fun.

I am very familiar with other Linux Distributions as well ... I own Mandrake 10.1, Xandros 3.0, the latest version of Mepis, Suse 9.2 and Fedora Core 3.0. I am also an MCSE and run a network with 300 computers on it which have Windows 2000 and XP, with Windows 2000 servers and a couple of 2003 servers. My Linspire box is my fun box. I love how irreverant the company is to Microsoft, I love how there are a gazillion programs on their CNR Warehouse site (sure, they might not be the latest versions, but you download and install them simultaneously ... how much easier can that get??) and I love all the little cool things like the Deviantart wallpapers that are available and the fact the there will soon be a music shop where I can download music from Linspire that's like the old days on MP3.com.

I like Xandros too, but there aren't nearly as many programs available for it in their warehouse. It's a great product, but not as much fun as Linspire.

I like Fedora Core 1,2, and 3, and think it's a great distro. Not nearly as fun, but great anyway.

And I adore Suse 9.2 and all the great stuff happening at Novell in general ... if I want to do serious computing, this is where I feel the most comfortable.

But Linspire is FUN and EASY!!

Windows is a pain in some anatomical areas, costs a fortune to maintain ... and don't get me started on the price of Office.

If you're looking for a great computing experience, get Linspire :)

That's my 2 cents worth.

Harold@elfaegis.com

01-20-2005 12:54:20

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Hawkeye
First, I am posting this response from a Linspire desktop that is about a week old.

That being said, I am a newbie (read less than 6 months) who took a pretty systematic approach to entering the Linux universe. I did a lot of website surfing, live CD looking, and user forum reading.

My first installed distro was Suse 9.1, upgraded to 9.2, because I felt I needed the "security" of the 800-900 pages of printed documentation. Although I browsed the manuals, they weren't really necessary to get up and running. The distro has performed flawlessly, without a hiccup of any kind. The user interface has a very "buttoned-down", corporate feel to it, and I found the user contact points with Novell/Suse to be pretty cold and dis-interested -- if you have ever tried to get any useful information from the Microsoft website(s), the feel is very similar. Also, the user forums did not seem very newbie friendly, but that may just be me.

I have also installed Mepis and Xandros.

Mepis is a nicely constructed distro, easy to install, and get up and running. The user forums are helpful and courteous to the "un-informed". I experienced some troubles with "gremlins" after I got up and running, regarding my network connection -- now its working and now its not. I finally just re-installed and everything works well. I also experienced some trouble with the process of updating, upgrading, installing, un-installing -- the newbie touch corrupted something and I had to re-install again. On the third installation I followed the advice of the owner/guru(?) Wayne, and just left all the software as it came with the installation. I have had no problems since. My sense is that someone who uses this distro, as nice as it is, will still have to be willing to get their hands dirty and tinker under the hood, to keep it running the way you want.

Xandros is marketed as a user friendly distro that makes the transition from Windows to Linux easy. I got involved with it as the company was transitioning from 2.5 to 3.0. That period was very frustrating. Their "support" was not informative, or timely; I got the feeling that the support person was really a marketing person who didn't know anymore than I did. Also, a person could upgrade to the newer version but could not access their software repository to do anything with it. Also, around Christmas time, their server went down, and you couldn't get to the "network" at all. Nothing says more about a company than how they handle change and adversity; I give Xandros a "D" in my experience. Finally, once the network is up and running the choices are very limited, unless you want to go outside their repository and download directly from the internet. I looked at that option, but could not figure out how to configure their "networks" interface to accomplish that. All in all, not a very satisfying experience.

Linspire has some "proprietary" feel to it in a couple of places. First is the install. You have the option to have Linspire take over the whole hard drive, or to install it in a pre-established partition. That means, if you want to install it on the same hard drive as another Linux distro, or heaven forbid, Windows, you have to have your own disk partitioning software to divide up the hard drive. Their installation software doesn't come ready to help you out in that regard, in my opinion, because they believe they should be the only game in town. For a company that loves to take a poke at Microsoft whenever it can, this approach and attitude is very "Microsoftish" to me. That being said, the installation is fast and painless. The default installation has a small fraction of their full range of application choices, so plan on spending another 30-90 minutes on tweaking your applications to fit your needs. The CNR warehouse is easy to use and works great -- their are tons of choices, especially in the multi-media category. The fact that it costs $50 a year doesn't bother me. I spent almost that much each year to have my Windows-world protected from viruses, not to count what I spent on software that I wanted. The time value to have your applications updated continuously makes the idea a no-brainer to me. Also, in order for Linux to become a true competitor to Microsoft, it must have companies like Linspire, Xandros, Mandrake, etc., who charge something for their polished packaging; without them the uninitiated newbie will shy away from the command line distros forever.

There are other easy to use options, but I have only visited their websites. Mandrake, Lycoris, Linaire, and ELX are the ones that jump to mind. I just don't have enough personal experience to comment.

I hope this biased, first person view of a few options has helped.

01-21-2005 11:15:56

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 1 times) kevin
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I hope this biased, first person view of a few options has helped.


Are there any unbiased views expressed on this site? :)

Nice to hear from some people who are satisfied with lindows. I've heard the reasons not to like them, and I personally am not their target market. I've been using the guerilla linux distros for far too long to care about the soft landing (though I don't like having to fiddle with things too much to get them working). However, much of the desktoplinux.com readership is probably in the lindows target market. So it would help if some of us knew something about it.

Any other satisfied lindows (sorry, linspire) users out there?

-kev

01-22-2005 00:32:25

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Keyfitter
My first installed distro was Suse 9.1, upgraded to 9.2, because I felt I needed the "security" of the 800-900 pages of printed documentation. Although I browsed the manuals, they weren't really necessary to get up and running. The distro has performed flawlessly, without a hiccup of any kind. The user interface has a very "buttoned-down", corporate feel to it, and I found the user contact points with Novell/Suse to be pretty cold and dis-interested -- if you have ever tried to get any useful information from the Microsoft website(s), the feel is very similar. Also, the user forums did not seem very newbie friendly, but that may just be me.
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I just had user contact with Novell/SuSE and they were anything but cold and disinterested, but I can certainly agree about
Microsoft. Like Kevin said, its nice to hear from users of Linspire. Personally I will probably stick with SuSE for good as
it seems the perfect choice for me but I am also looking for a distro to recommend to others who want to get away from
Microsoft but don't really want to learn about the BASH shell and the CLI. In other words, about as simple to use as Windows.

01-22-2005 08:48:55

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Charlie
I can't compare Linspire to any other Linux 'distributions', but I can provide a few comments on Linspire. I'm not a 'technical' person, so I wouldn't dream of trying to install some flavor of Linux and try to get it to work, and then have to worry about getting applications to work, as it appears one has to do with most versions of desktop Linux. I mostly use Macintoshes but have to use Windows as well, for various reasons.

I just wanted to check out desktop Linux, so on the recommendation of a buddy, I bought a Koobox with Linspire installed. Turned it on, and it felt just like Windows to me. I downloaded various programs from the Linspire site, and they were installed on the system, including shortcut icons I could just click on to run the applications. I was quite surprised that it was this straightforward. The browser was fine, but I haven't tried to do email on the system. The operating system itself is just a little clunkier, a little slower than Windows, but nothing that really made a difference.

Much to my surprise, OpenOffice is an exact duplicate of Word and Excel, as far as I could tell. I had hoped that a few things would be improved, but they appear to be identical (I'm still wondering how this has not prompted a lawsuit from Microsoft??).

I haven't heard anyone describe this kind of experience for any other 'desktop Linux'. Is a Linspire box good for a computer neophyte who basically needs web browsing, email, some word processing and a spreadsheet? I would say yes, based on my experience.

01-26-2005 20:47:36

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Charlie
I can't compare Linspire to any other Linux 'distributions', but I can provide a few comments on Linspire. I'm not a 'technical' person, so I wouldn't dream of trying to install some flavor of Linux and try to get it to work, and then have to worry about getting applications to work, as it appears one has to do with most versions of desktop Linux. I mostly use Macintoshes but have to use Windows as well, for various reasons.

I just wanted to check out desktop Linux, so on the recommendation of a buddy, I bought a Koobox with Linspire installed. Turned it on, and it felt just like Windows to me. I downloaded various programs from the Linspire site, and they were installed on the system, including shortcut icons I could just click on to run the applications. I was quite surprised that it was this straightforward. The browser was fine, but I haven't tried to do email on the system. The operating system itself is just a little clunkier, a little slower than Windows, but nothing that really made a difference.

Much to my surprise, OpenOffice is an exact duplicate of Word and Excel, as far as I could tell. I had hoped that a few things would be improved, but they appear to be identical (I'm still wondering how this has not prompted a lawsuit from Microsoft??).

I haven't heard anyone describe this kind of experience for any other 'desktop Linux'. Is a Linspire box good for a computer neophyte who basically needs web browsing, email, some word processing and a spreadsheet? I would say yes, based on my experience.

01-26-2005 20:47:44

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Bruce
I have added Linspire as a dual boot with windows xp. I tried MepisLive and other distros. I am not an IT man so I needed something that was easy for me in changing my setup as I was sick and tired of windows. Linspire is as easy and flawless as they come. They even have tremendous help for newbies on their forum, for example, after trying to setup up a dual boot myself three different times, I found help on the forum that took me through the dual boot with screenshots and it worked right the first time. The CNR site with all their programs is amazing and easy to use and will keep your programs updated automatically. you don't have to look for installation disks for reinstallation because once you download the program it is yours even if you drop out of their CNR program. I am just fine tuning my applications and looking for better linux bible programs and then it will be my pleasure to hit the format button and rid myself of microsoft forever!

Bruce

01-30-2005 18:05:02

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) JNeuhoff
Isn't Linspire, by default, running as a 'root' user though? Or have they fixed this?

JNeuhoff

02-09-2024 02:01:45

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) McClane
>>Isn't Linspire, by default, running as a 'root' user though? Or have they fixed this?

No, apparently its the best advantage over normal Linux.

I've heard such things as "I'm not a n00b i know how to be careful" and "I appreciate the freedom that linspire trusts me with allowing me to run as root" etc.

After trying to tell people why its a) NOT linspire trusting you, if u #### it up do u think they care ? and b) it does NOT make things easier, it makes it about as insecure as Windows. God help them when/if virii etc start been written for Linspire in large quantities. I can almost see the headlines now. "Linux security WAS a myth". bah!

There is one constant in the universe, the extreme and never ending ignorance of the masses.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

02-09-2024 16:17:51

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) iamjiwjr
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Linspire gets my vote hands down.

I tried several distros and have investigated several others.

What Makes Linspire different is that all others I have tried have three new-guy-safe-to-trust-it-fatal shortcomings:

1. The web sites turn me away with minimal software offerings. They turn me away when I think about how easy it is to install Linpire stuff and how many of these I have to find on the web and fight to install them with long and difficult, hard to understand processes.

2. Installation that requires a Ph.d. in Linux. Linux software installations make me see grey mush and give up before I barely began. I got tired the first time I beat through my beloved Wordperfect's (Linux version) installation and said very quickly - screw this if it's this hard!.

3. Attitudes Attitudes Attitudes. It's a big deal to switch from slimy Microsoft and not one I need to feel intimidated by. It is the biggest mistake I see in Linux today. I believe Linux desktop will die if it's not more user friendly -- all of the experience of it - not just the installation. I challenge the disto developers to come up with one click installations if you want growth. Only Linpire does that easy enough for the crowd. The easiest hands down.

Linspire - by a large large margin -- was quick and very very easy. Tons of software. It just works and works and works. Sure it is an ongoing work in progress and I had a learning curve in some areas (some drivers etc that Linpire 5 promises to improve on greatly), but that gave me an opportunity to learn. But my beloved wife ,..... and this is a BIG BIG deal to my quality of life, and THE No. 1 reason I ran from Billy Boy Gates, was her computer - a tempermental COMPAQ Presario. Shazaam! Linpire installed perfectly and was good to go in a very few minutes. Since then only one complaint from her in close to a year now about her computer - one lock up on a web video download....ONE!. For the great truth of life is.... When Mama's happy, everybody's happy....... (you know the rest).

They are the first scardy-cat-new-guy-friendly web community in Linux I've written to where I wasn't shouted down as an idiot. I know I'm a Linux idiot. Not important to me. I just want my computer to work. And I want my OS company to be enough ethically congruent with my values that I can live with myself. Microsoft blew it forever. On this note Linspire and its staff and its community have my strongest endorsement. Give it a try. $50 a year is nothing to me for the value. Way more than software and the ridiculously easy software installations -- it's the community of users there -- just nice folks. They're just so much more friendly and accomodating of my stupid questions. And they make it fun again.

By the way you can change user status from root with ease. I hope that's how you say it or addresses the concern you have.

I believe the big growth now is gonna be the average guy and gal, not more from the techno-savvy crowd. That's the Linspire crowd. I can't wait for Linspire 5 -coming imminently.

John Westervelt

02-12-2024 03:07:48

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) helios
It is difficult to come into a discussion like this without bias...not Dan Rather bias, but a long-standing emotional tie bias. Geez...sounds like I'm talking about my wife, not a Kernel.

Look, they have done what some think is a good thing with Linspire. Hey, its Linux for our Mom's! That being said, I think that Linspire is doing to Linux what AOL did to the internet. Some would argue that this is not a bad thing. I would counter that it is. "The luxury of Ignorance" is a good thing for most people because all they want to do is load the software and get to work. They couldn't care less about how or why it works...as long as it gets them home for dinner, thats all they care about. On the other hand, it's good to know how to fix something when it breaks. Seems to me that a bit of foreknowledge about your system beats the hell out of spending three hours on hold with tech support. Linspire is taking away the users incentive to learn about his OS...sound familiar? Look thru any window and you will clearly see what I am talking about.

03-02-2025 20:48:41

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Keyfitter
By the way you can change user status from root with ease. I hope that's how you say it or addresses the concern you have.
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Working as a "user" and not as "root" is a very big concern. I sure hope Linspire
is doing enough, or will be doing enough to educate people on the hazards of running
as root when it is not necessary to do so. Other than that, Linspire sounds like a
good choice to convert people from Windows to Linux who can't or won't spend the time
to really learn about Linux.

03-09-2024 05:21:46

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) ZeroSystem
I just want to get started by saying that I don't hate Windows or have any dilusions that they are the most evil corporation ever. (That's Taco Bell if you must know!) However I just wanted to see what Linux was like. I've been using computers for a long time (Apple 2?, IBM PCjr? C64? Amiga?) and I miss the days of really "getting in there". I have no problems with Windows security as anybody with my experience shouldn't either.

So, I recently installed Linspire on one of my computers. I was very impressed on the time it took to install it and I though it looked rather nice. Then the big problem I was unable to connect to the internet! It seems Linspire isn't compatible with my NIC card. Personnaly I don't care I spent a whole $10.00 (Wow!) for it. Anyways, my neice is always complaining that her computer runs slow, and picks up alot of viruses/adware/spyware etc, etc. She lets anybody and everybody use that thing. So I installed it on her computer (over Windows ME), she's very happy with it.

One thing I would like to comment on is that when I installed Linspire on my machine it was a dualboot along with XP, and Linspire didn't work for me. I had a hell of a time getting off my computer. The Linspire splash screen kept coming up.(ended up doing a whole reformat, pissed but the system is only a month old, and it was probaly my fault anyway!)

So I would recommend Linspire to anybody, that is used to Windows, but has too many problems with it.

And yes, I did use the "Live CD" first, I just didn't understand how that thing worked.

03-12-2024 01:17:57

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) ZeroSystem
Well now I can say that go with what the insane aquatic bird said(crazy penguin). I downloaded the simplyMepis iso, ran the live CD, and even though I am having the same, and more problems (no wireless, no sound, no DVD-RW) I went ahead and installed because of the great software package included! Open Office, Gimp, Some other programs I can't remember the names of alot of them, but if you use Quicken, Pagemaker/Quark, burn CDs/DVDs all these things and more are supported. The interface is also easy to use (like Linspire), if you can use Windows, you can use Mepis.

Choose SimplyMepis, because you have a choice.

03-15-2005 10:39:06

New MessageRE:Curious about Linspire (modified 0 times) Bill
I can't add too much, so to keep it short:

I paid for Linspire.
I love Linspire and CNR.
I loved the 2 other linux distros I tried, but choose Linspire.
I plan to stay with Linspire.
I might try some other distros someday.
Anyone who is happy with their linux distro as opposed to Windows, I am truely happy for you.
I encourage anyone I know to try linux, know matter what distro.

03-17-2005 20:08:51

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